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Remedy 204

Took this deck to our 3rd Regional here in Melbourne, Australia. 20 people attended at our local store out in the eastern suburbs and it was a great day with everyone running incredibly fun decks with notably no snoke 3 wide.

Congratulations to Ben for taking the win with Tarkin/Snoke.

I chose this pairing as I had wanted to try this deck for awhile and realised it was simply a stronger version of Lando/Saw that I had taken to Top 8 the previous regional. With the addition of Red and Wedge's die sides + PA it allowed for a lot more consistency in this deck.

In swiss I went 3 - 1 losing to Han/QiRa (Hyperspace jump to get Theed back been the killer there).

And then lost in top 4 to Leia/Yoda mill which was a hard match up to begin with and well played by Gareth.

Great regionals season overall with 3 regionals and taking slightly off meta decks its been a blast to play with the melbourne community and I can't wait for Convergence to land.

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chinovalley 322

Great combo, took this to a Regional myself and nearly made the cut. Love to see Lando/Wedge doing well.

General Vatutin 26

Part 1) I really appreciate you attempting to make SAW work. A,so congrats on using an off meta deck. I only play destiny with the wife so we don’t have to play strictly by the rules. Unfortunately, do to back problems and her having to go back to get her EMBA, we don’t have time at the moment for longer games. Since we play in a bubble, do you think you could make SAW Lando work without solidarity and by giving saw an extra health or something. Feel free to offer any text changes etc. Heck in some cases we can even change dice faces if it means flipping a side to another more appropriate one or not paying for the pay side. I dropped the pay side on Maul. Unfortunately, I build decks more than get to actually play as a way to keep my back moving. What would your list look like if SAW was more appropriately costed at say 15 or 14. Would really appreciate getting old Forrest Whitaker as a permanent deck that could sometimes hang with the big dogs .

The reason I attempt to make decks competitive the meta decks is because I need to use list other creat and make sure they are good lost as I don’t have must testing time. I have 60 premade decks as part of my recovery process. When I am in pain building decks is about all I can do standing and keep most of my mind off the pain. A friend has suggested that I build two tiers. One for the meta and one for everything else so more stuff gets used. I even make really poor decks that look equally crappy and give them away to use up all the stuff that is worthless. IG-88, etc.

Part 2) The same question might be easier with Saw Wedge. What could you change to make him hang in the current meta against the top decks. According to you, it sounds like very little. Again, I could do anything to the point it is easy to remember—like making the new MF cost 5 etc. search for an escape craft when played. 12/12 health.

Thanks in advance! Cheers

——— I have a love hate relationship with this game. On the one hand it is really fun, but putting so many thousands and finding so much total garbage is heartbreaking. I personally feel cheated that FF doesn’t dropping legendaries a point or two when they fail to see any meaningful use. They don’t have to change much and still 85% of their product would never see the light of day. It is the legendaries that are the sticking point because they lose so much value and give you zero trade value for future stuff. I just can’t continue past Across the Galaxy at all because almost nothing from the first three sets are dice anyone wants. I have spent thousands on this game thinking they knew what they were doing or had a plan for partners the likes of Maul, Saw, K-2SO, Mace, etc. It is clear they almost do no play testing and hope for the best. So much money down the drain it hurts. I sold a tons of games on eBay to pay for this game and they just refuse to the do the right thing.

chinovalley 322

All the characters are useable but if you want to be competitive in big tournaments, you have to really have a tight deck and use the stronger characters/cards/combos. So the real question is, do you want to be top-level competitive or are you looking for more casual fun? If casual then everything works because why not? Competitive, of course not, because not every card regardless of rarity will be viable in top level competition. That's true with all of these collectible games, it's not an FFG issue. Plus you're not required to buy everything--you can selectively pick up what you need for the deck(s) you want to play and save yourself some time and money. I think it's more about how you approach the game and the collectible nature of it.

General Vatutin 26

I played Mrg for years, owned a revised lotus at one time so I should know better. I new cracked packs....ever, except the opening days. You would have thought I would have learned. The big grip I have with FF which has now ruined several other of my games: Android Netrunner and Armada $2.5k is that they could do soooo mich better on the testing. When people in the hyperloops etc, can go good, ok, suck, never see play, etc. etc. to legendaries and iconic characters that is the rub. There are certain iconic characters you just can’t mess up and they did without ever throwing people a bone to make their investment worthwhile. Good Mtg cards hold some value which is not the case with this game. I once owned 20+ Vidicates and 16 or so Maelstrom Pulse foils great cards that enabled me to get into X-wing and build 15 ready to go factions and before I got 9 games in they went to 2.0. I had bought 16 autotrusters, so many upgraded engines etc. at a cost of hundreds of dollars only to have them turn to dust. The economics of mailing a die is very cost prohibitive for people not in the FLGS. So many people dropped out of my playing area, thus few to trade with, so everyone is chasing the same cards and nobody wants the old stuff because it was purposely power leveled down. Now they want to give us another Crime Lord as a legendary. FF does so many cagey stuff that is older players have no more faith in them. Not supporting Armada for years and messing up the transport rules killed that game for the locals. When people move on from unsupported games or games that give you crap legendaries that is the rub. If it was just the rares and uncommons that would be one thing, but poor Zeb, Mace, Maul, etc. etc. etc. is just tooooooo much getting screwed. At first, I was willing to give the designers a fair amount of time to get it right, but again when the non-design team blogger can instant look at a card and say if only it had this or that it would be playable, that demonstrates intent. They are screwing up on purpose.

The fact that on any given day your non-meta day with 40% odds can go on a run is great with great play. What this fellow did with wedge Lando was awesome on several different levels and I applaud his efforts. It is also why I seek his council, because he knows through reps what the deck wants to do. I don’t need this deck to be Vader Greedo, but when I build a deck it last 10-15 years with a minor tweak here and there with a new card. Theme and flavor is important because each deck of mine needs to have its own flavor.

Yes, I could make tier two decks and call it a day and only play my tier 2 decks with other tier 2; however, being a serious gamer with 60+ euro games with its dedicated gameroom and a seperate Miniature gameroom, I want to get the decks even as possible understanding their will be bad matchups like last night when my wife destroyed me with Rose, Wedge, hired gun, against my Beckett Hondo which a smart gamer newbie crushed one of my solid tier 1.5 decks. Yes, Rose, Partisan Partisan is the better deck and tier 1 while Rose, Wedge, Hired is not but I consider 1.5 decks to have that 25-35% chance of winning to be ok.

Lando for me needs to be a tier 1 deck because it is Lando. I don’t give a crap about that dumb character Rose. So Lando needs to be able through so sort manipulation found to work. I have two Lando cards and dice so he gets two decks. Which two is what I am in the process of determining. Since those two decks will be around 10-20 years, I want the right two and I am hoping for so help.

Thanks and cheers

chinovalley 322

Wow, you are all over the place to the point I'm not even sure why you're saying all this. Are you mad at FFG? You have a lot of subjective opinions in your very long posts that seems way out of place here, for this guy's decklist. I also have a couple published versions of Lando2/Wedge that I've done well with at a couple Regionals. It's not Tier 1, maybe Tier 1.5 or 2 depending on your perspective. However, unloading all your history and angst about the collectible nature of this game seems WAY out of place here. "Dumb character Rose..." That comment alone tells me you have an agenda that's completely unrelated to the decklist published by Remedy. Why are you blasting all of this unrelated verbiage onto this guy's decklist? That makes no sense and frankly this isn't the right place to dredge up your history. As for a deck that lasts "10-15" years, that's completely unrealistic. I think you should post all of this at the star wars destiny reddit page for a discussion. Doing so here isn't proper. As for Rose or any character, none of them are 'dumb'. When you start showing biases like that it sort of discredits your whole rant. I've made some pretty strong decks with Rose included so don't let your personal biases blind you to the possibilities. Please do post at the reddit page and stop cluttering this guy's decklist with completely unrelated personal drama. You're doing Remedy a disservice here.

General Vatutin 26

The character Rose in the movie is dumb. The card and die are good; in fact great, in the double partisan deck. The point is FF screws up the good movie characters but get the stupid ones like FN, Rose, mother Talzin correct. The keep screwing screwing up over and over. This due Remedy did an amazing job with his SAW Lando deck, but we have gone years with fantasy flight dumb crap lengendaries on us like BB-8, Chopper, Zeb, Dydren etc. etc. etc. etc. tons and tons of worthless crap always dead on arrival.

Remedy found a way to use chopper in his SAW Lando deck which doesn’t work despite his galant efforts. Look how they screwed the awesome Solo character Dryden up. The movie character is iconic as all get out and he is useless. Utterly useless and the bloggers knew it was dead on arrival. So if ALL the bloggers knew Dyrden was dead on arrival, how come FF put him out as a legendary. If you can’t see FF for what they are, you are thinking very hard are heavy into the herd mentality that is so prevalent on the FF boards—where every FF does is gold. Nobody can get him to work. If you are still buying this BS, That is why FF countinues to get away with it.

When people say no more on the blogs etc. it MAY change. The problem is FF only Fields softballs from Team Covenant/Team FF schill. None of this ruins his great tier 1.5/2 deck list at all. Most people TL: DR so take your dramatic Cali, “ Dude chill out thing” and send it elsewhere because I’m not buying. It is not like this is some scared cow of a deck. I applaud the guys efforts for thinking outside the box, but this it’s somehow hurting his little gem of an idea in any way. It is not like I am taking a paint brush to it or something. So save you rightoues indignation for other things.

You realize FF made Snoke 1 point less than they planned all along just to sell booster boxes. They knew he was broken after the testing, but put him out because he would be worth a lot and justify the gamble of boxes. People like you have no clue how nafariois FF is and how their actions destroy the community and long term viability of the game.

Finally, I only play my decks and once done building they exist in a vacuum so they will last as long as the family plays them. I can’t keep give FF money because they purposely screw players and gamestores over. So once I am done building 35 hero and 35 villian decks I am done. I want to make SAW work as best as I can given I payed money for a legendary that it’s worth crap. Have you ever actually talked to a gamestore owner being honest about how FF treats them.

JuzFuzz 27

Moving on... Fun combo - How did the Podracer go during your games with this decklist?

General Vatutin 26

This is how we keep this decklist on the front page ;-)

chinovalley 322

I wasn't addressing the quality of Remedy's deck; I was addressing your ranting and pushing your own anti-FFG agenda on this guy's decklist. It's out of place and quite ludicrous. It's simply your opinion which I wager most players of Destiny would not agree with as they are not as jaded nor lacking in imagination as you appear to be. What is the point of unleashing your angst and bile here? Childish, is all it is. Go post this on your own decklist, or in the SW reddit--you're just pushing garbage out here on somebody else's list and that's both rude and misplaced. All about you without a care or thought about anything else. You're quite pathetic in your ramblings.

chinovalley 322

Also I just realized you think I'm from California and are using that as some kind of insult, saying that anyone that doesn't agree with you is just part of the herd, etc. Your agenda is clear and you will spread hate to push it, attacking the person to defend your own petulance. You come off as some whiny entitled gamer. Vote with your wallet and just don't buy product if you're not satisfied with it. Ranting here--to what end? If you can't see how lame you come off here then maybe you should take a huge step back and think about tact. You have none, at least not here.

chinovalley 322

P.S. -- I don't live in California. Your arguments use the worst kind of tactics and insults and stereotypes which signals you as socially inept and entirely useless to debate further with; you're just a troll.. So bravo to you. /golfclap

chinovalley 322

One last rebuttal, regarding your rant about Dryden Vos. It made a regional final, so stop whining please. swdestinydb.com

General Vatutin 26

That was a very small regional akin to nothing more than a store tourney. Seriously 4-1! You got to do better than that. If you pilot junk and practice on TTS and the others merely play a few games your odds with some good rolls in a meager tournament might pull off the improbable. You don’t see an attention given to him, but this one blip. At the university, we call that an outlier if there ever was one. So what you got next Cali.

Remedy 204

Not sure what to make of the above discussion.

A few points though.

  1. Saw is pretty good and with Yoda as a partner rather than lando he might get even better with rotation given there are more and more big cards coming out (the dream is to toss both your 6 cost falcons with specials to hit for 6 indirect while using treasured lightsaber and other special weapons on yoda might be some space to explore.

  2. I took this deck because the list is super fun. I wasn't trying to win the whole thing in a solved meta I wanted to play destiny and have fun doing so and this deck provides that for sure haha.

  3. Lando is honestly one of the best characters to come into the game for hero in awhile and winning battlefield roll offs denying players theed all day was incredibly satisfying.

  4. Deck building and piloting have their own rewards and ultimately you should play to your strengths and play style. Supports is mine and that looks like its coming back in a huge way get excited for the game moving forward and focus on building and jamming :).

  5. Given Melbourne had 3 regionals and while yes 20 is a small tournament for Melbourne that is a healthy size and I am very thankful to all those who came! :)

General Vatutin 26

You rock it Remedy. The small tourney had to do with you and your success. It referred to the Vos can’t be overcosted because he had one single showing in all of the world comment. Another non-meta player having fun. Keep rocking it.

3 had my favorite line, “...denying players theed all day was inceredibly satisfying.”

I agree Yoda is his best partner at Saws current point value which I think you may have alluded to in your previous attempt with Saw—the Yoda part. Unfortunately, Yoda is pulling quadruple duty in my decks so adding yet another Yoda to another deck is problematic from the prospective of mixing it up. While my wife likes Yoda, I can only take so much of, “My little green friend.” I am sure she would get bored soon as well.

Keep up the good work.

General Vatutin 26

The small tourney DID NOT have to do with you and your success. Major typo. Sorry mate. When changing the line around a forgot to change the beginning. Oops.

chinovalley 322

So you're still going to push the stereotype and insults. Way to go Vatutin, your true quality is showing brightly. I'm done here, the troll isn't going back under the bridge so guess I'll just move on and avoid the fetid stench.