Billionaires - Are you ready to be hated ? 1.0

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How did you do against deck playing Force Wave with Palpatine - Unlimited Power? I found him very strong against 3-wide character.

@Destry210 against these kind of decks you know what to mulligan for : Vandalize. I'll add that Palpatine - Unlimited Power without upgrade is not a threat at all. But yes, as I said AoE damage is what can be difficult to face but it is no instant lose at all so that's ok :)

Hello strog, j'adore ce deck, je le joue avec quelques cartes différentes et j'ai gagné mon dernier tournoi local avec. 4-1. Je gagne contre du vador, contre du qui-gon satine, contre du leïa boushh Padmé et une victoire dans la douleur mes sur une partie super intense contre du eTekka leïa Anakin, ça c'est joué a la dernière carte (un Yoda spirituel qui me permet de gagné, ma seule défaite est contre un deck phasma bourreau qui avec ces nombreux dès de dégâts ne m'a pas laisser de chance

Lor is crazy good for the cost

Have you considered losing your 6-die start in favor of Astrogation? It’s only a 2 point plot, has some solid consistency, and might help just THAT much more. Maybe swap a satine die for it, since she has no discard sides anyway? Just a thought.

@OverbakedEZBake Hey! In my opinion, a thing to never do is trade a die for a plot, since the die is most of the time better than a plot. Here, the astrogation may not be resolved every turn, since there's only 9 upgrades? And at the end game, when there's no cards left in the deck, the plot will be no use, where a die could give a ressource or a focus :)

@OverbakedEZBake Yes I did consider it but as my mate @Fresck mentionned, it is never a good idea to lose a die for a plot an even more for this one I think.

Even if Astrogation contains my nickname, it won't be resolved every round and in general you never play upgrade at round 4 and beyond.

You could try the plot but the 6 dice start is really really cool :)

@Strog Congratz for another Great Deck! Hell is coming :) i tried it several games to see how people whould find ways to counter it.. so i can beat you :p No real answers yet, this is quite OPness. got only 1 loss for a dozen of games so far ;o and i'm not a mill player at all :s

Lor San Tekka - True Believer is so gonna get nerfed after that. Completely mad thing. Let's not forget that I have one of your loss ;)

@ICE Ravi que le deck te plaise et que tu aies performé avec !

So I took this to Jackal Hunt and 6-0’d Swiss. Then in the top 8 got paired against Phasma Fost Advanced Training. Didn’t have a chance. Haha! I had only played the deck once on tts before the tournament. Really impressed with its performance! Thanks for the build!

@JChauTha'ts a strong showing! Congrats! Nice deck @Strog

@JChau Really glad you gave it a try for a big tournament, with few practice you went 6-0 that's a really nice perf !

@Platform327 Thanks man !

Just tried this out and love it. Great mill design - really frustrating to play against it seems.

@RogueCommander Glad you liked it ! And yes many players on TTS were frustrated and gave me some names I won't write here ^^

@Strog Have you played against Darth Vader? Did not see him on the sheet.

@Strog with all the money this deck makes why not include Strength Through Weakness or Bespin Wing Guard?

@LukePM1776 he lost to one Vader/ShapeShifter/Retribution angry whining guy. But the match up can be solved if it's what you wanna know. Retribution is good against this deck but doesnt give free wins :)

@Leddon75 Actually, I want to know if there is any point to continue playing this game. Do you see anything to beat this? If even Vader, who supposedly counters hyper control decks, can’t deal with this, then I see no reason to attend tournaments or any other competitive events that cost money. A mill deck should never have a 91% win rate over 80 games.

@LukePM1776 granting 6 die start makes it overpowered for sure. Being able to play pacify, entangle, bartering, anakin pod racer and lore hunter or force meditation round 1 is crazy. It ramps money very fast, can play all these big controls every time. Bring back pacify or hidden motive every round with San Tekka. And slow down opponent with Vandalize. Last time I saw something that strong and annoying to play against was Thrawn Unkar. Some decks stand à chance and some nearly none. Only relying on a crap draw mixed with god rolls. Counters exists like probe, rétribution, vigilance, best defense, megablaster, climate array, Advanced Training. Red villain are fine. Padme Boushh with some action cheating (instigate) should be fine too. Blue lost their action cheating (rip force speed), maybe they ll come back stronger later. Watto ramp deck are pretty descent. Hero shadowcaster decks can do something switching to Falcon3. There is also the learning curve how to win against the deck. Many players are going for the wrong target for example.

@LukePM1776 as @Leddon75 said (he knows all this because he is one of my sparing partner), I lost to a Vader with retribution. I could have win this if I did not forget that retribution ^^ The fact is that with the good technique you beat this deck, action cheat and aggro decks have always been the mill terror. Finnaly a lot of players tried millionaire after it won à tournament but most of them failed so you don't need to worry about continue playing the game at all. And who knows, maybe you'll find a solution to counter me :)

@Gussi The goal here is to manage this money generation. I don't play Strength Through Weakness because I don't like this card, paying 3 to mill for 4 doesn't feel effective enough to me and as I can run Clandestine Operation I really prefer to play this one. Concerning Bespin Wing Guard you don't really need because in my opinion you have way enough discard sides in this deck.

You can still try with these modifications and tell us how it goes, it would be interesting :)

Do you think that it might be worth it to replace lie with Yoda and allies of Necessity

@ferrsabs you can try but it's a totally different deck. For my concern I will never play this plot because starting without ressource is just impossible, you are a round behind even if you got 2 more points for your pairing. And I will add that even more when playing mill you can't start without ressource because you absolutely need to survive

Love the deck! I'm interested in two of the cards you haven't talked about: A99 Aquata Breather and Dex's Diner - how effective have they been for you?

@Buffybot these two cards have been completly effective for me, they bring so much survivability. As this âiring have a lot of HPs I'm thinking about cutting off the A99 Aquata Breather for a In The Crosshairs because indirects are not the real threat for this deck when godrolls always are.

Just played against this deck for the first time last against a buddy of mine and it is very strong! It does ruin everything you love, but it forces you to play differently and I think that is why it is actually a good thing for the meta. Having everything run towards aggro makes a lot of deck building ideas never see the light of day because they won't generate X amount of damage by round 2. Mill flips the equation and makes everyone use cards/characters that they normally would not and keeps the "rock/paper/scissors" aspect of Destiny healthy. That being said, I hate mill lol

Hi @Strog!

I played the deck today for the first time (before that I had 5 games altogether in Destiny), so I really appreciated your detailed description for the deck. I won one, and lost one (forgot to use Dex's Diner...), and I enjoyed both games. I'm looking forward to be more familiar with this one. #ControlDecks FTW! :)

Lor's ability does say set aside ? Meaning not returned to discard pile. So it looses it's strength very quickly. Ask him to choose beetween Easy Pickings, Entangle or Beguile. Say I pick entange, the other two are set aside to never return?

@Ozmodon you still get 33% of your deck back :)

Nice! Thank you.

@Yoda007 I'm glad you like it mate ! i will update the post soon as I did some new games and I am now 103 - 10

@Ozmodon Yes you cards are set aside but you have plenty of events to use and basically the one that is going back to your hand is sure to beplayed again then you just need to play 2 more and it becomes in your discard pile. You can also discard to reroll more easily and if your opponent has discarded you some cards then you can get them back to your hand :)

The post has been update with my latest recorded games :)

Enjoy playing it went 7-1 at a local weekend tournament, yes switching out the A99 Aquata Breather for In The Crosshairs is a better call, I also dropped one of the Anakin Skywalker's Podracer for Flames of the Past ... which saved my butt a few times. My one loss was to Ph/FOS:AT plot, which is the rock to this scissor cutting deck.

The deck is pure fun to play. Having total dice pool control and support control vs your opponent plays mind games... then you heal Jar Jar for two... and that frustration causes forced errors.

I normally play the heavy hitters (I collect the full sets immediately) but it is this type of deck with no legendary cards I love seeing... its about the build not the cards.

@alic_surn Thanks for this comment man ! Really happy you tried the deck and like it. Phasma is actually one of the tough matchup but it is still winable so that's ok :)

Also focus chaining with Clandestine Operation to hit 7 cards, 2 cards from lore hunter, and 2 cards from meditation for a total of 11 cards in one turn ends the game in most players minds as 36% of there deck is now Flames of the Past targets.

Hi @Strog, just a quick question for you; who do you normally play your upgrades on?

@DrunkenPaladinGaming Hi, usually I start loading up Satine if possible to make her stronger in late game if she is not targeted. If she is then I switch to stuff someone else, classic behaviour in Destiny :)

Really love this deck, but in my practice plays, it's been hard to finish a game under 35 minutes because it goes about 5 rounds or more. And because there's no damage, you can't win unless you can mill in time. Any ideas??

@JuryDuty the 35 minute timer is how you beat this deck honestly. Without the timer, my win rate goes way down, but if I can play the long game and play my deck with a much different win condition, then I find I can win 50/50.

@JuryDuty I generally don't go to time and when I do I win during this turn. The fact is that the more you train with the deck the faster you will play it and then you won't be too long to take the right decision.

@daddy249kart Planning to go to time can't be a real strategy ^^

@strog Mill flips this game on it's head, by dismantling everything you are trying to build. If you play regularly and keep building your board state for aggro and pitching to reroll to get the highest damage, Billionaires will beat you 95% of the time. That is why you are having such a good win ratio with this deck; people don't know how to play against it. Yoda/Leia is a mill deck that can mill an incredible amount of cards each turn, so you HAVE to kill Leia by round 2 or you have lost. Billionaires is not built the same and does not win the same way. One of my best friends loves this deck and I have smashed my head against a wall so many times playing against it as I would a normal deck. I have found that the weakness of this deck is that Billionaires is waiting for you to try to build something and then you come in and pick it apart. When you are going against this deck, you only play from your board and not from your hand and then if the Billionaires player wants to mill you out, they will have to come get them yourself, which it struggles to do naturally. Billionaires wants you to spend all of your money and cards to build a sandcastle that it can kick over. If you build very little each round, their ability to disrupt goes way down. I will play an upgrade each turn as normal and then whatever I roll, I use. Sure they can Vandalize, but only twice as I will never let them get it again. If Billionaires passes because they want me to roll better to dismantle, then I will pass too. You are already making 4-5 resources per round, so you getting 2 more won't hurt me and me getting 2 more is great. I am ahead on damage, so let's play the slow game and force you to mill me or I will win. It flips the game on the player trying to flip the game. I have used this mindset and can beat Billionaires at least half of the time, no problem.

@daddy249kart Oh so you are not playing for time and I appreciate it, I thought you were saying to play slower on purpose. I agree with you, playing with another mindset is the right answer but I'm not afraid at all if you don't build a board I won't have to much dice to manage so it is fine too. The deck has no mill power directly in the chracaters but if I have less to remove then I can build a better board in order to mill faster. Everyone game is a balance to find, if you do then you can win it, it is right for mill and dmg deck. Game feeling and pactice are key

@Strog I understand how I said that make it seem like slow-playing and that is not a viable strategy lol It is not so much not building a board state, but when you play a card down, it needs to be absolutely worth it, instead of putting it down because it is part of your plan. For instance, if I had It Binds All Things in my deck, I would not play it against Billionaires as even though it saves me a money, it is one less card you will have to mill. So, I will play the board state to earn more money and play the upgrades that are absolutely worth it. Every step I take will be a thought of making it harder for you to take my cards, rather than how do I kill all of those characters (except Tekka, he needs to die ;p). I completely agree, it is a balance for each player, but if you go into the game against Billionaires hanging on to your cards like they are your precious babies and only use them when it makes perfect sense, then Billionaires does not have such a high win rate. I say this for people who get discouraged when they find a deck that is winning 9/10 games. There is always a viable win condition against any deck, but you may need to completely rethink how to play your deck.

Hi guys, i totally agree to daddy 249 kart. It was strong when people dont know to play against. Now Satine ist replaced with c-3 po and it looks even stronger. But even then it will get beated on time and other ways in tournaments. Sry, but if u focus all dmg on jar jar first (as crasy as it sounds), that deck looses 2 discardsites and as we know, c-3po doesnt have it. So guys just focus on jar jar, activate him in ur first turn, if his sides doenst matches ur character dices. Sit on your cards and focus jar jar so this deck falls behind in many matchups. And strog against leia/ lando and yoda/ leia, this deck dont have even a chance to win. Cause it mills to slow. Cheers

I didn't honestly think this deck would be any good when I took a quick glance at it...I'm starting to think this could be BIG.